Thursday, August 4, 2011

Where is the " Our Father" in scripture?

The our Father goes like this.......
Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, On earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, our daily bread, And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
      It comes from the Bible in the book of Luke

Luke 11:1-4     King James Version (KJV)

     1And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
 2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
 3Give us day by day our daily bread.
 4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
     
       First of all when we repeat the "Our Father" we are quoting scripture. Secondly we are obeying the Lord Jesus's command to say "  Our Father ...". Look at the words in red in verse 2. Now why would we not want to repeat " Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name" all day long. And why not keep on and say " Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, On earth as it is in Heaven". I think that would be a good thing to do. And why not continue and say "  Give us this day, our daily bread, And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." This too would be a good thing to repeat many times. And why leave out the last part " And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. " You see when the diciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray He told them Say " Our Father ..." This was so important that they quoted Jesus and recorded it in the Bible.
      Will we repeat the same prayer over and over in heaven? Let us look at what St. John saw in his vision of Heaven in the book of revelation chap. 4:6-8
       6And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
 7And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
 8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
      I am not going to say I understand the book of revelation. But it sames clear from this, that some body or some thing be it man or angel will be repeating day and night the same prayer Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come." This is not much different from " Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done ....... " Both prayers are giving Honor and Glory to God our creator and creator of all things.
      The Lord's prayer ( Our Father) also appears in the book of Matt. Let us take a look at it there.
Matthew 6:7-21
King James Version (KJV)

 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
 9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
 11Give us this day our daily bread.
 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
 16Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
 17But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
 18That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
 19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
 20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
      The first scripture here is the one people use to condem the Catholics for repeating prayers.
      Jesus says "  9After this manner therefore pray ye:" Here Jesus tells us we can use different words but the same style ....giving glory and honor to God.
       Verse 7 and 8 goes together " 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."
        Look at the word for in verse 8. Jesus is saying why not to be like them. "  your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." So is Jesus telling us not to repeat the " Our Father" ? I think not because it gives God glory. I think Jesus wanted to make sure we would not keep saying " Lord give me this and this and this" because "  your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." But to say a pray that gives God glory and Honor, ask for his will to be done, ask for forgiveness, ask for daily bread and to be delivered from evil is good. Without repeating the " Our Father" word for word it"s hard to remember all the elements that Jesus said goes in a good prayer. I think that's why Luke quoted Jesus as saying Say. Matt. put's it in a way that gives us an option " After this manner therefore pray ye " but let's face the facts. How many different ways can we come up with, to say the same things that the " Our Father" says.
      Besides since when is quoting scripture wrong? Go ahead and quote the scriptures all day long to give God honor and glory.

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